Thursday, February 02, 2006

Amona related thoughts...

(To view a slideshow of pictures from Amona, click here)

1) In the State of Israel, there seems to be those who have greater concern for the well-being of horses than that of Jews who believe in the right of the Jewish People to a Jewish State throughout the Land of Israel.

'Don't use horses for evacuation'

Tnu Lahayot Lihyot - Israel's main animal rights groups - protested against the use of horses in Amona's evacuation on Wednesday.

According to the organization, the horses that were recruited for the evacuation found themselves in a battlefield, susceptible to rocks being hurled at security forces by "dozens of law-violating settlers."

The group called upon Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz and Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Dan Halutz to... refrain from using them for purposes that effectively place their lives in danger. Tnu Lahayot Lihyot suggested alternatives such as jeeps or motorcycles, such that no animals would be endangered.

2) In the State of Israel, an Israeli Arab Member of Knesset who has called for the destruction of Israel as a Jewish State has more rights than Jewish members of Knesset who are beaten by police for defending the right of the Jewish People to a Jewish State throughout the Land of Israel.

3) In the State of Israel, while the government and security forces are busy enforcing the "rule of law" in Amona, Qassam rockets continue to rain down upon Israel, this time, landing in the Ashkelon industrial zone (as well as in Sderot).

While the government of the State of Israel willfully neglects to fulfill its basic responsibility to the citizens of the State of Israel - namely to ensure their security - by ending the Qassam rocket threat against the Jewish State once and for all, they manage to find the resources and manpower (over 7,000 members of the security forces at Amona) to wage war against the "Jewish Hamas" - the term used by an aide to acting Prime Minister Olmert, referring to Jews who still believe in the right of the Jewish People to a Jewish State throughout the Land of Israel.

4) In the State of Israel there are tens of thousands of illegal Arab housing units throughout the country (with 10,000 illegal housing units alone in Jerusalem) that while being in direct contravention of the "rule of law" the government of the State of Israel chooses to ignore.

At the same time, the government of the State of Israel sends 7,000 members of its security forces to destroy 9 Jewish homes at Amona, and thousands more to expel Jews from their legally owned property in the ancient Jewish city of Hebron.

The logical conclusion to be drawn from these actions is that the main priority of Israel's security services, in the eyes of the current government of the State of Israel, is to act without restraint against any Jews (and Jewish communities) who still believe in the right of the Jewish People to a Jewish State throughout the Land of Israel (while turning a blind eye to the actions of those who seek to destroy the Jewish State of Israel - both from within and without).

In a word: Frightening.


well it certainly reveals that things can get worse than arik...

By Blogger Tovya @ Zion Report, at Thu Feb 02, 02:47:00 PM GMT+2  


Your claim is that the terrorists who fought against the army and police in Ammona are those who believe in a Jewish State and the army and the government do not. This is clearly not true. If the terrorists of Ammona are willing to fight against the Jewish Army, it cannot be for a Jewish State they are fighting. I would prefer to call what they are fighting for Yesha.Yesha is not just a place but an idea - an apartheid state, ruled by G-d oppressing all those who oppose the orthodox, rabbinic establishment. You believe in Yesha and are willing to fight for it. We, Israel, are fighting for the Jewish people. Your fight is centred on what G-d whispers to your rabbis, ours is based on the interests of the Jewish People. Your fight is to create an apartheid state in the West Bank (and no doubt still, Aza) where a tiny Jewish minority will rule over a huge Arab majority. Our aim is to create a Jewish State, with a Jewish Majority, within defensible borders and to have peace with our neighbours.

I suggest the following - Yesha to become an independent apartheid state oppressing the Palestinians. Israel to set itself up inside the border created by the Security Barrier and go into peace negotiations both with the Palestinians and their oppressors the Yeshists.

It is clear that Israel is now under attack from two dangerous terror groups - the Palestinian terror organisations and the Yeshist terror organisations. While the Palestinian terror organisations concentrate on murdering innocent civilians, the Yehsist terrorists work at undermining the basis of Israeli society.

By Anonymous H, at Thu Feb 02, 03:10:00 PM GMT+2  

Tovya, I agree, the question is how much worse?

Haim, based on your logic, the Maccabim who rebelled against the greeks, the Jews who revolted against the Romans, and the Jewswho fought against the British occupation of Israel were all terrorists who were not fighting for a Jewish State...

Talk about revisionist history...

By Blogger Ze'ev, at Thu Feb 02, 03:19:00 PM GMT+2  

Uhhh, no.

The Maccabim did not attack the officially representative army of the Jewish People. Nor did the Jews who revolted against the Romans, or those who fought the British.

You are the one revising both History and the present - simply by claiming that your fight is on behalf of the Jewish people does not make it so. You are in fact fighting against the official institutions of the Jewish people for your own goals. YOU claim that these goals are Jewish goals, but they are not, as the Jewish people rejects your struggle, through support for the institutions you fight against.

The Terrorists of Ammona went to war on the army of the Jewish people. The Maccabim certainly did not do that.


By Anonymous H, at Thu Feb 02, 03:32:00 PM GMT+2  

H, I understand your using of the fact that there had not been a state-supported army with a Jewish majority in 2000 years for your benefit, but recall from the Chanuka story (not the politically correct one) - who was the first "victim" of the Maccabbee revolt? A Hellenist Jew.

By Blogger GregoryT, at Thu Feb 02, 04:32:00 PM GMT+2  

re: laChayot lihyot: It reminds me of German animal rights group which worried about pets left by Jewish owners sent to concentration camps. If Israel is indeed full of such "heartfelt Germans" - maybe those who are heartfelt Jews with a love for Jews and the Land are in the wrong place? And if not - then are the means of "Ahavat Yisrael", with steps like the Face-to-Face campaign, going to achieve anything?

By Blogger GregoryT, at Thu Feb 02, 04:42:00 PM GMT+2  

The fighting of the settlers was not okay, and the brutality of the police was not either. But how could anybody call these Jews "terrorists"?! Or, as Olmert did, the "Jewish Hamas"?!

By Blogger Ezzie, at Thu Feb 02, 06:39:00 PM GMT+2  

I think I rather like Haim's idea. Maybe the Jews who believe in the right of the Jewish People to a Jewish State throughout the Land of Israel should volunteer to take over Yesha, which the current government of Israel clearly doesn't want, and create just such a State, to which it would invite Jews to make -- let's see -- aliya g'dola. Hopefully, it would have a strong ally in its neighbor to the west and perhaps it would even find a better way to live with its arab population. Since no one seems to have a problem with the idea of two Arab palestinian states, why should they have a problem with two Jewish palestinian states?

(only slightly tongue-in-cheek)

By Blogger Lynn B., at Thu Feb 02, 08:32:00 PM GMT+2  

My heart is broken over what I now understand is the death throws of Israel. My wife and I have seriously thought of spending our last few decades, God willing, in Israel. Our family has supported Israel since the beginning. Going back now four generations. We send over $100,000.00 each year to Isreal. My wife is of a Reformed temple and I am a Christian. We are Zionists. Zealous Zionists. We have our problems with the blackhat crowd and decry much of their behaviour. We understand that in this warped world ... One Israel from the Mediteranean to the Jordan is not going to happen. We support the plan of the security barrier.

We are also ceasing all our donations. We will not support a police state. The Left, the same Jews that supported Marx and Lennon are destroying Israel. Olmert has decided to turn Israel into a police state. We will no longer visit and have dropped all ideas of living there. If the 'center' minded Jews of Israel go along with Olmert Israel will not be Israel. It will be a tragic dead land. Populated by souless ghouls.

By Anonymous Scott, at Thu Feb 02, 09:19:00 PM GMT+2  

The Tnu Lahayot Lihyot organzation was probably concerned that the Jewish protesters would learn from their ancestors, the Maccabbees, and stab the horses in the belly, rendering them useless.

By Blogger 3pillars, at Thu Feb 02, 11:19:00 PM GMT+2  

A video of the real terrorists of Amona

By Anonymous Orange&Black, at Fri Feb 03, 12:21:00 AM GMT+2  

Well after all of the video clips i have watched (incl. the one above my comment), a lot worse.

had these videos been of arabs being beaten for a sit in protest, the world outcry would be deafening. but it's obviously kosher to beat on Jewish kids.

If the events in Amona are just the beginning, then we are in for some bad times.

By Blogger Tovya @ Zion Report, at Fri Feb 03, 12:39:00 AM GMT+2  


To reply,

I am of course aware that the true origins of the Hannukah story was all about civil war with two origins - an ideological war between hellenists and traditionalists (The Hashmonaim), as well as a power war within the priesthood between the establishment and a lower usurping cohen family (the hashmonaim). In that sense I would say that the use of the Hashmonaic rebellion is inappropriate as a parallel - however I was using it because Ze'ev used it - so gripe at him about getting his history straight!

The basic point is this, the Zionist State of Israel has always understood itself to have one principle enemy - the Arabs. We deliberately did not grant the Palestinians a separate title so as to continue the myth that we are the david fighting against the mighty Arab Goliath. We never took seriously the threat to the state by those from within who opposed Zionism. The truth must now be faced the State has a number of enemies - The Arab World, The Palestinians and the Religious Jewish World. All of these factors are attempting to stop Israel being a Jewish Democratic state. There is now virtually no distinction between what was once mistakenly called Religious Zionism and Haredut, at least within the political leadership. Both represent a huge threat to the state and its institutions. Of course we, Israel, need to deal kindly, humanely and gently with the Yesha threat, but that does not mean we do not have to deal with it.

By Anonymous H, at Sun Feb 05, 09:38:00 AM GMT+2  

Scott - sorry to tell you this but you can't make aliyah anyway. The religious establishment doesn't recognize your wife as Jewish and you are out of the question entirely.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at Sun Feb 05, 06:47:00 PM GMT+2  

while I might tentatively accept h's statement if he said that religious jews are the enemy of a democratic Israeli state, it's rather ridiculous on his part to imply that they are the enemy of a jewish-democratic state.

particularly since the role of enemy of the jewish state is actually fulfilled by sheretz and shinui.

if the state were made up only of jews then there would be no problem with a jewish-democratic state.

otherwise h's jewish-democratic state is simply a temporary contradiction in terms.

after all, when the arabs became a majority h will have to let them get rid of the jewish in jewish-democratic.

of course if sheretz became the majority then their wouldn't be anything jewish about the state anymore either.

i guess i would name as the #1 enemies of the jewish democratic state as sheretz, shinui and the arabs (in no particular order).

By Anonymous orange&black, at Tue Feb 07, 01:57:00 AM GMT+2  

Olmert’s Nazi SS troops, who assaulted peaceful young Jewish patriots demonstrating in Amona, deserve jail time. The one who sent the troops and instructed them—the acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert—deserves worse: jail time and hard labor. Let him build new settlement communities in Yesha.

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